I literally started putting these groups together last year, and after months of debate and analysis, we arrived here. The plan never goes exactly like you think it will, but we’re excited about next year’s lambs! This ewe lineup is much stronger than the nice group we had last year!
I developed a ranking system last year that we stuck to pretty closely. This year, I refined it a bit, and made it more challenging, but the ewes that we kept all scored very well as did our rams. Will that translate into even better lambs next spring? I hope so. That’s been our goal. You know you’re making good progress when you sell ewes that you really didn’t want to sell. That was the case this year and I expect choices to be even tougher in 2009. When you put a cap on the number of ewes you’re willing to keep, you eventually have to make very tough decisions.
This year, we’re breeding 15 ewes and next year, I’d like to cut back to 12. It will be very tough to do that, but that’s the plan. If you do the math, that means we need to sell six adult ewes and not keep any lambs! Well, I plan on keeping a few lambs, and I like all of our ewes, so it’s going to be interesting.
Here are our fall 2008 breeding groups:
Leyland, our 20 micron shaela gulmoget ram out of Wintertime Black Forrest, will have the following ewes:
Violet
Lavender
Bluebell
Queen Anne’s Lace
Buttercup
This is my mystery group. Obviously, I’m looking for lambs with nice fleeces from this group, but I expect some nice conformations as well. How many of the ram lambs will be polled or scurred? I could also end up with some modified colors, who knows? I also expect to learn whether Leyland carries brown. I’m not anticipating that, but it’s possible. He’s one cute ram though, I’ll say that.
Clover, our light mioget gulmoget ram will have the following:
Kiraz
Peony
Pyrenee’s Morn
Tiara
I expect some really pretty brown-based lambs out of this group if I can keep Clover contained long enough to breed these ewes. I would also expect these lambs to have wonderful conformations as Clover is built extremely well as are these ewes. Except for Tiara, these are all ewes Clover hasn’t been bred to before. Clover and Tiara gave us Bluebell this year, and I hope to get something as good or better next spring. We only got two lambs from him last year, and both were really nice!
Cihat. I’m going to call this my conformation group. These are probably our best all around ewes and I am expecting a lot from them. I could also refer to this as our spotted group since most of the ewes are spotted.
The ewes in this group are:
Fantasia
Betulina
Sparkles
Onyx Velour
Cor de Nuit
I’m always excited to see what Cihat throws! I bred Betulina to Cihat last year and really liked the lamb we got, so I’m very interested in what the others throw. The same is true of Fantasia. I’ve said it before, Cihat is quite simply the nicest all around shetland ram I’ve ever seen in person. I’ve seen softer and crimpier fleeces, but he brings so much to the table in terms of horns, conformation, spots, tail, and spinnability! Plus, all of his ewes have softer and crimpier fleeces than he has, so I’m very excited about this group!
Black Walnut drew the short straw this year. We thought about moving several ewes into his group, but each time we did that, we felt like we were merely trying to force a group here, when we knew a different grouping was better. I would have liked Buttercup in this group, and Bluebell would have been another good choice. We opted though to just give him Morning Glory right now. She’s just a beautiful Cihat daughter and I think they complement each other nicely! I could have made a good case for some other ewes here, but we’re happy with the groups as they are.
You know how breedings go, however. The pairings often look good on paper, but don’t always pan out the way you had hoped. I do feel, however, that these groups give us the best chance at producing the type of lambs that we want.
Yes, I would have loved to see a Tiara/Cihat, or a Leyland/Sparkles
combination, and I would like more spotted lambs, but I think this plan will payoff down the road. It all comes back to our vision, and it will take several years before we start to see that come together. Next spring is but one step in the process.
If anyone is interested in seeing pictures of these ewes, please go to our website link at the top of the page. There are way too many pictures to put here.
Superior Genetics and Fine Fleeces for the discriminating handspinner
Wednesday, November 12, 2008
Thursday, November 6, 2008
To Breed or Not to Breed (Part Deux)
This is part two of my breeding vision. This is probably the closest thing you’ll see to a Jerry McGuire moment from me.
Breeders all have different thoughts about what they want their flocks to look like. Some breeders want patterns, some specific colors, others fine fleeces, etc. That’s what makes it fun. But what is our vision and how do we achieve it?
I won’t attempt to speak for anyone else, but I do know what my vision is and how I want to get there. I may be wrong about my approach, but I do know where I’m headed. Our vision is this: We breed for health, conformation, and nice hand spinner’s fleeces (in that order). We select and breed sheep for those things. So, to me, vision is the choices that we make. Cihat is a spectacular ram who produces very nice yarn. He’s not fine, however. He does produce a nice hand spinner’s fleece though.
I think people can get too caught up in having their name on a sheep. To me, that’s not a vision. To me, a vision is having a clear idea of what you want your flock to look like, and then pairing sheep that you think give you the best odds of achieving that. Maybe you want a certain type of spotting. Maybe you want all polled sheep. Whatever your vision, I think the breeding decisions you make really define who you are.
So, the breeding choices you make are really the first step in the process.
The second step (and perhaps the most important part) is what you decide to keep and what you decide to sell. Personally, I’ve decided to only sell stuff that I think is breeding stock. We didn’t always look at it that way. When we first started, if someone wanted one of our sheep, we would sell it. But if we’re putting our name on a sheep, shouldn’t we take those decisions pretty seriously? I think so. That whole process is very subjective, I’ll admit, but it defines who you are. Just because we have our farm name on our sheep, however, doesn’t mean it fulfills OUR vision. That’s the only point I’m trying to make.
So, if all our registered stock is of breeding quality, how do I decide which ones to keep? I only keep the ones that fulfill my vision (or bring me closer to it). What do I want my sheep to look like? Should they look like another farm’s shetlands? No.
So, can I put two of farm A’s sheep together and end up with one that fulfills my vision? Absolutely. That’s possible if I end up with a lamb that looks like my vision of what a Shetland should look like. If it was Farm A’s vision, he/she would’ve kept those sheep.
If I pair sheep in any other way, then I’m merely perpetuating someone else’s program. I don’t think that’s wrong, by the way, but it’s no vision either.
Our vision consists of the choices we make with our flocks.
Obviously, this doesn’t happen overnight. Eventually, I think you end up with a lot of sheep with your name on them when you get closer and closer to your vision, but that takes years. It takes longer when you make stupid breeding and sales decisions (as I’m prone to do).
I spent more time this year than ever putting my breeding groups together and I’m still finalizing them. Why is it taking so long? I take it quite seriously. Plus, this vision thing is making me crazy. I want to get to point D, by skipping points B and C.
Will a pairing of Black Walnut with Buttercup, for example, bring me closer to my vision of the perfect Shetland? I like both of them and both are Whispering Pines sheep. That would, therefore, seem like a logical choice. They also compliment each other. One’s strengths are the other’s weakness. Since neither is perfect, will that take me closer to my vision or not? I still haven’t decided. I might get closer by crossing Buttercup with a ram from another farm. After all, I chose those rams because they were part of my vision. I didn’t choose them because they were cheap or friendly or smelled nice.
Most Shetlands do not look like my vision of what they should. That’s no criticism of those sheep. They probably match up quite well with the current standard. And yes, Shetlands should be fine, but how fine? If you can’t spin the fiber because it’s too short and is weak, is that a good thing? No, but if it’s course, that’s no good either.
It gets back to an earlier post that I made on the subject. Will pairing two sheep take me back a step or closer to my vision? That’s not always easy to determine. I often go with the odds.
At the end of the day, I have to go with what I believe to be my best chance at getting the lamb I want. Do I want the softest fleece, big horns, spots, patterns? Ideally, I’d want all of those things. I don’t have one ram, however, that gives me all of that. Some people might.
I mentioned Black Walnut because he is the best combination of those things that I have. But he doesn’t have as nice a conformation as Cihat (not many rams do), and he doesn’t have as fine a fleece as Leyland (not many rams do), and he doesn’t have the gorgeous color and pattern combination that Clover has (not many rams do). That’s what makes it fun and challenging!
At the end of the day, what’s most important to me as a breeder? That’s what drives my breeding decisions, and it’s also what makes our flock different than other flocks. It doesn’t make mine better, mind you, just unique.
Right now, my vision is heavily weighted toward conformation and health. Black Walnut has a fairly even weighting of important attributes. He might take me closer to my vision in terms of fleece, but if I want a show quality conformation, should I go in another direction? It’s a good debate. He’s very very good in all things I value, but he isn’t excellent in any of them. He may be show quality, but he doesn’t look like my vision of what I want a Whispering Pines sheep to look like. I like him a lot, make no mistake about that, but if I were to do a composite police sketch of my perfect shetland, it would look similar, but a little different than him. It would look like Cihat and Clover with Leyland’s fleece micron, and Black Walnut’s staple length. That doesn’t mean, however, that I couldn’t get that sheep by breeding him to one of the ewes that I like. That’s why I’m breeding Leyland to Black Walnut’s mother (Violet). That could bring me my perfect shetland. It may not.
That’s where my current indecision lies. It would be easy if I had a ram with the perfect combination of everything.
All of my rams serve a purpose or they wouldn’t be here. Now I just have to find the magic combination that I’m looking for and end up with a bunch of lambs that fulfill my vision…in 10 years.
Breeders all have different thoughts about what they want their flocks to look like. Some breeders want patterns, some specific colors, others fine fleeces, etc. That’s what makes it fun. But what is our vision and how do we achieve it?
I won’t attempt to speak for anyone else, but I do know what my vision is and how I want to get there. I may be wrong about my approach, but I do know where I’m headed. Our vision is this: We breed for health, conformation, and nice hand spinner’s fleeces (in that order). We select and breed sheep for those things. So, to me, vision is the choices that we make. Cihat is a spectacular ram who produces very nice yarn. He’s not fine, however. He does produce a nice hand spinner’s fleece though.
I think people can get too caught up in having their name on a sheep. To me, that’s not a vision. To me, a vision is having a clear idea of what you want your flock to look like, and then pairing sheep that you think give you the best odds of achieving that. Maybe you want a certain type of spotting. Maybe you want all polled sheep. Whatever your vision, I think the breeding decisions you make really define who you are.
So, the breeding choices you make are really the first step in the process.
The second step (and perhaps the most important part) is what you decide to keep and what you decide to sell. Personally, I’ve decided to only sell stuff that I think is breeding stock. We didn’t always look at it that way. When we first started, if someone wanted one of our sheep, we would sell it. But if we’re putting our name on a sheep, shouldn’t we take those decisions pretty seriously? I think so. That whole process is very subjective, I’ll admit, but it defines who you are. Just because we have our farm name on our sheep, however, doesn’t mean it fulfills OUR vision. That’s the only point I’m trying to make.
So, if all our registered stock is of breeding quality, how do I decide which ones to keep? I only keep the ones that fulfill my vision (or bring me closer to it). What do I want my sheep to look like? Should they look like another farm’s shetlands? No.
So, can I put two of farm A’s sheep together and end up with one that fulfills my vision? Absolutely. That’s possible if I end up with a lamb that looks like my vision of what a Shetland should look like. If it was Farm A’s vision, he/she would’ve kept those sheep.
If I pair sheep in any other way, then I’m merely perpetuating someone else’s program. I don’t think that’s wrong, by the way, but it’s no vision either.
Our vision consists of the choices we make with our flocks.
Obviously, this doesn’t happen overnight. Eventually, I think you end up with a lot of sheep with your name on them when you get closer and closer to your vision, but that takes years. It takes longer when you make stupid breeding and sales decisions (as I’m prone to do).
I spent more time this year than ever putting my breeding groups together and I’m still finalizing them. Why is it taking so long? I take it quite seriously. Plus, this vision thing is making me crazy. I want to get to point D, by skipping points B and C.
Will a pairing of Black Walnut with Buttercup, for example, bring me closer to my vision of the perfect Shetland? I like both of them and both are Whispering Pines sheep. That would, therefore, seem like a logical choice. They also compliment each other. One’s strengths are the other’s weakness. Since neither is perfect, will that take me closer to my vision or not? I still haven’t decided. I might get closer by crossing Buttercup with a ram from another farm. After all, I chose those rams because they were part of my vision. I didn’t choose them because they were cheap or friendly or smelled nice.
Most Shetlands do not look like my vision of what they should. That’s no criticism of those sheep. They probably match up quite well with the current standard. And yes, Shetlands should be fine, but how fine? If you can’t spin the fiber because it’s too short and is weak, is that a good thing? No, but if it’s course, that’s no good either.
It gets back to an earlier post that I made on the subject. Will pairing two sheep take me back a step or closer to my vision? That’s not always easy to determine. I often go with the odds.
At the end of the day, I have to go with what I believe to be my best chance at getting the lamb I want. Do I want the softest fleece, big horns, spots, patterns? Ideally, I’d want all of those things. I don’t have one ram, however, that gives me all of that. Some people might.
I mentioned Black Walnut because he is the best combination of those things that I have. But he doesn’t have as nice a conformation as Cihat (not many rams do), and he doesn’t have as fine a fleece as Leyland (not many rams do), and he doesn’t have the gorgeous color and pattern combination that Clover has (not many rams do). That’s what makes it fun and challenging!
At the end of the day, what’s most important to me as a breeder? That’s what drives my breeding decisions, and it’s also what makes our flock different than other flocks. It doesn’t make mine better, mind you, just unique.
Right now, my vision is heavily weighted toward conformation and health. Black Walnut has a fairly even weighting of important attributes. He might take me closer to my vision in terms of fleece, but if I want a show quality conformation, should I go in another direction? It’s a good debate. He’s very very good in all things I value, but he isn’t excellent in any of them. He may be show quality, but he doesn’t look like my vision of what I want a Whispering Pines sheep to look like. I like him a lot, make no mistake about that, but if I were to do a composite police sketch of my perfect shetland, it would look similar, but a little different than him. It would look like Cihat and Clover with Leyland’s fleece micron, and Black Walnut’s staple length. That doesn’t mean, however, that I couldn’t get that sheep by breeding him to one of the ewes that I like. That’s why I’m breeding Leyland to Black Walnut’s mother (Violet). That could bring me my perfect shetland. It may not.
That’s where my current indecision lies. It would be easy if I had a ram with the perfect combination of everything.
All of my rams serve a purpose or they wouldn’t be here. Now I just have to find the magic combination that I’m looking for and end up with a bunch of lambs that fulfill my vision…in 10 years.
Wednesday, November 5, 2008
Sheltering Pines Cor de Nuit - Rich
Sire: Underhill Thelonium Monk
Dam: Justalit'l Lana
3/25/06 Twin Grey Katmoget/Smirslet
Dam: Justalit'l Lana
3/25/06 Twin Grey Katmoget/Smirslet
This ewe is all about conformation and fleece! She is single coated and has tremendous density, dark blue-grey coloration, and fine crimp! Plus, she’s spotted. Her spotting is subtle, but it’s there. She’s our largest ewe at 88 pounds. I think that’s a good weight for a ewe. I wouldn’t want anything bigger. I would say our mature adult ewes weigh anywhere between 65 and 88 pounds. Most fall in the mid to low 70’s. I bought this ewe for her conformation, but I’ve grown to love her fleece. I haven’t decided who to breed her with. Any suggestions? She’ll have nice lambs, it’s just a matter of what kind? There are several ways we could go with her this fall. Cor has some impressive breeding in her background as well. She’s an F3 Minder, F4 Timothy, F4 Holly, and F4 Greyling. She brings a lot to the table for us.
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